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Matt
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| Private1 wrote on 12-07-2018 12:12 PM
I think it did a great job of showing that many leavers based their decision on opinions rather than facts.
I saw another video a while back about a caller stating that he was fed up with EU Laws \ Brussels laws governing us. O'Brien asked him which laws he wanted abolished and he couldn't name a single law.
The UK does pay more than the EU sends, but the UK also had other benefits
The UK was a stepping stone to Europe, now that's no longer the case, companies are starting to move, taking their jobs and taxable income with them.
Migrant \ Seasonal workers aren't as eager to come work here making it more difficult for UK farmers to stay afloat. Increased labor costs will increase UK produce prices.
Just because we weren't getting exactly the same amount back from the EU as we're paying in, doesn't mean the UK wasn't indirectly benefiting in other ways.
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I agree that many leavers based their vote on opinions; then again so did many remainers.
Nobody knew for sure what was best for the UK, we voted based on the facts we had, how we interpreted these facts, and how we saw things unfolding.
We have different ideas about the UK's involvement in the EU, ranging from completely leaving the EU and all its institutions to complete integration - signing up to Schengen, joining the Euro and being part of the United States of Europe.
My guess is the vast majority lie somewhere between those two extremes - we don't want to be part of a Federal Europe but we're happy to trade and cooperate...
The points above are good examples of facts, questions and different opinions
Fact: the UK pays more than it gets back
Fact: UK business benefits from being in the EU
Question: how much benefit overall?
Question: which sectors benefit from not being in the EU?
Question: would the UK be better off inside or outside the UK?
Opinion: the UK will be best off having a trade deal with the EU and being able to negotiate trade deals with the rest of the world
Fact: companies are starting to move
Fact: some are, some are increasing their presence in the UK (financial and car manufacturers)
Opinion: May's Checkers' deal keeps the UK within many of the EU's regulatory frameworks which will enable a free trade deal and avoid a hard border in Ireland
Fact: migrant/seasonal workers aren't coming to the UK
Question: why not?
Opinion: Fall in GBPEUR exchange rate means they aren't earning as much
Opinion: that correction was going to happen anyway, it was long overdue
Opinion: increased labour costs = increased wages = more incentive for migrant workers
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Private1
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The Government Has Announced New Funding For Spaceports - But Brexit Is Already Worrying The UK Space Industry
The bigger problem, in Rafael’s opinion, comes from the core grievance at the heart of the Brexit: The movement of people. Even the most optimistic scenarios for an incredibly soft Brexit point towards limiting freedom of the movement - the ability for people to live and work in any European country. The much-heralded Chequers Whitepaper repeatedly uses the phrase “freedom of movement will end” - and this is annoying news for the space industry.
“Restrictions on how people will be able to move in and out of the UK, will have a massive impact in companies like ours”, Rafael said. “We have people of 15 nationalities in our company, because we go for the best global talent and we attract them to the UK.”
“Brexit has been really very hard and has spread concerns among people who have to move with their families here. They are uncertain about the situation, and any uncertainty doesn’t help when you try to take decisions like this.”
“So on the talent side I must say that yes, we’ve felt the impact and we’ve felt it strongly. The talent pool in the UK for some of the positions that we are looking for is simply [lacking] or non-existent. I think that’s a big pity because, yeah the UK is missing out on so much global talent and so many possibilities. That shouldn’t be happening.”
And I think this is the crazy, contradictory, thing: While it is great that the government is supporting the space industry in principle, it being hell-bent on Brexit is massively undermining this.
Chris Grayling, the aforementioned transport secretary, was and still is one of the most hardcore Brexiteers. If the British space industry is to succeed it needs to have access to the most talented people: Sure, highly skilled rocket scientists might not have as much difficulty getting a visa as a Polish plumber after Brexit, but whatever system we have short of free movement is still going to be extra layers of bureaucracy and bullshit for companies and individuals to wade through, making Britain a less appealing place to work and do business. This added friction will in the view of both myself and objective reality, by definition, be bad for business, bad for the space industry, and bad for Britain.
My wife accused me of being immature. I told her to get out of my fort.
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the EU doesn't have a transatlantic deal with the US (TTIP) so, by extension, neither does the UK.
